Naze32 hardware discussion thread

raulmd · Post by **raulmd** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:04 am

raulmd wrote:Hia

How can i enable low voltage buzzer?
- I can switch it on/off with one of my RC channels but I want it to work as a low voltage alarm. Any command should be sent to enable this function?

Thanks.

Looks like it is enabled by default.

Are anyone of you able to notice the buzzer noise when the motors are running? I am not.

Any way to drive an external led when battery is low?(Im asking about sw stuff, not HW, I know I will have to add some transistor to drive a high luminosity led but that is not a problem) Sure it has already been covered, but cant find.
I could add a comparator, but since Naze32 has a voltage monitor, one of the spare pins could do the job or not, just thinking.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:19 am

Just use the buzzer output to drive some transistor/fet to turn on a led strip?

rank · Post by **rank** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:21 pm

Hey folks, might just burned my brand new naze rev5 somehow...
Unpacked, flashed with the latest software using baseflight flash online option.
Then carefully soldered all the connectors, no overheating, pretty clean job.
Then tried connecting the board to my laptop, just to find "Usb device not recognized" message.
The leds are flashing when powering up, blue stays on then a red/green flashes, blue stays on and the board reacts to tilting by flashing green, so seems to be reacting..
But nothing else seems to work. My second board works fine, and instantly recognized.
Thanks

Soldering pics:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/142 ... 055126.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/142 ... 055204.jpg

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3eTnbL ... e=youtu.be

sentinel · Post by **sentinel** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:18 pm

I'm having a syncing issue with Naze32 + Afro ESC 30A when running a 4S battery. I can see a red LED kick on for a brief second as the syncing issue occurs. The setup flies perfectly under 3S however. Could this be a Naze issue or is it likely Afro ESC not properly supporting 4S as HK states?

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:51 am

Your motors are too expensive. Upgrade to something that costs less than $15/motor.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:55 am

rank wrote:Hey folks, might just burned my brand new naze rev5 somehow...
Unpacked, flashed with the latest software using baseflight flash online option.
Then carefully soldered all the connectors, no overheating, pretty clean job.
Then tried connecting the board to my laptop, just to find "Usb device not recognized" message.
The leds are flashing when powering up, blue stays on then a red/green flashes, blue stays on and the board reacts to tilting by flashing green, so seems to be reacting..
But nothing else seems to work. My second board works fine, and instantly recognized.
Thanks

Hm, USB not recognized but I don't see anything obvious near the USB chip that would make it fail. You could still talk to it by using the center RX/TX pins and some USB>serial thing like FTDI or etc.

Since they're all flashed using USB there's no way that it was dead before it arrived, could you try some different/shorter cables and/or connect through a hub?

Maybe your soldering iron had some voltage on the tip and when soldering rx/tx pins it fried the USB chip? Fairly unlikely tho. I've seen iron tips light up leds a tiny bit during soldering, that wouldn't be enough to fry this thing tho.

rank · Post by **rank** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:59 am

As I said, I flashed it before soldering with the latest software, and it worked. After soldering, usb recognition failed.
I was using a portable (lipo powered) soldering iron, not sure if that could cause any problems...
So you reckon the board might still be alive, apart from the usb thingie?!
I need to check if I have any serial adaptors on me.

sentinel · Post by **sentinel** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:06 am

Trollcop,

Ah yes, forgot to mention they were SunnySky X2208 1500Kv at $18+/motor. Should've known better, but you know what- they're pretty good quality so I'll keep them. As for the Afro ESCs...hmm, will just toss those out.

timecop wrote:Your motors are too expensive. Upgrade to something that costs less than $15/motor.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:13 am

sentinel wrote:Trollcop,

Ah yes, forgot to mention they were SunnySky X2208 1500Kv at $18+/motor. Should've known better, but you know what- they're pretty good quality so I'll keep them. As for the Afro ESCs...hmm, will just toss those out.

timecop wrote:Your motors are too expensive. Upgrade to something that costs less than $15/motor.

Go ahead. Maybe you should upgrade to DJI ESC. (And DJI FC while you're at it)

sentinel · Post by **sentinel** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:15 am

Now I'm actually offended. Anyway, will be running some tests later to try and get to the bottom of this in hopes that I don't actually have to replace the Afro ESCs considering they complement the Naze32 nicely.

felixrising · Post by **felixrising** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:37 am

sentinel wrote:Now I'm actually offended. Anyway, will be running some tests later to try and get to the bottom of this in hopes that I don't actually have to replace the Afro ESCs considering they complement the Naze32 nicely.

Never feed the trolls

Sentinel, there were some issues with smaller zmr motors with some newer revisions of simonk/tgy firmware. Not all motors work well with all firmware versions. You might want to try going to some slightly older simonk firmware before ZC changes. https://github.com/sim-/tgy check out the releases tagged 2013-09-09 or maybe try the newest 2014-01-19 which addressed some issues that were experienced with interim releases... I know they're not the same motors at all, but it illustrates the point that firmware can make a big difference. What props are you driving btw?

sentinel · Post by **sentinel** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:45 am

Thanks for the specificity felixrising. That was going to be my next step after trying other props and running a few other tests. I'm using GemFan's 9047s.

I've been talking to a few others who have experienced the same exact issues with Afro ESC 20/30A on 4S with various prop/motor configurations. Flies great on 3S and always came down to the introduction of 4S.

I've also seen others solving their sync issues by running negative along with signal on the leads they've modified, however, I always run unaltered leads when working with the Naze32

felixrising wrote:Sentinel, there were some issues with smaller zmr motors with some newer revisions of simonk/tgy firmware. You might want to try going to some slightly older simonk firmware before ZC changes. https://github.com/sim-/tgy check out the releases tagged 2013-09-09 or maybe try the newest 2014-01-19... what props are you driving btw?

felixrising · Post by **felixrising** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:58 am

9047 with SS x2208 1500kv motors on 4S is asking for trouble.. you are really over propping it. normally on 3S you wouldn't drive more than 8045.. meh.. good luck with that though.. make a video for me

sentinel · Post by **sentinel** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:03 am

Yeah, I understand the implications of the configuration but I've run this with slightly different setups with no problems. No heat issues, etc. It's for my "extreme" acro days. Thanks again

felixrising · Post by **felixrising** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:16 am

You need to look at stuff like re-compiling simonk/tgy with some custom timing.. because you are getting sync issues most likely. Your config is unsupported with that motor/prop/battery combo.. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost ... ostcount=4

Plüschi · Post by **Plüschi** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:28 am

“RPM as % of Kv x V“ Today i did learn something. TY

tanman · Post by **tanman** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:17 am

Is it normal not to have the compass dial on the Initial setup page of Baseflight?

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:23 am

What's a compass dial?

tanman · Post by **tanman** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:28 am

timecop wrote:What's a compass dial?

The one with the red arrow on lower right of the Baseflight. I dont have it. Running Naze32 rev5.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:33 am

I have no idea?
You just pasted a pic with it.
Why not ask in the baseflight configurator thread instead?

LVNeptune · Post by **LVNeptune** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:57 pm

I believe the fake mag compass was removed if you don't have a Mag installed. That was the plan anyway. Check Baseflight Config notes. It was just updated a few days ago.

primegarcia · Post by **primegarcia** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:21 am

Hey there guys i my name is David i;m new to the thread. I've been reading for a while and can't seem to find the answer so i figured its time to ask. I recently got a naze32 fun fly with all the bells and whistles and a Ublox 6m gps module. I have been flying the Afro acro Naze and i love it so i figured i would try the gps on my FPV quad just to try it out of curiosity but have no idea how this module connects to the board. here is a pic of the module and the wires./Users/davidgarcia/Desktop/31135.jpg

maybe someone has a pic of how to wire this or any gps module to the Naze32

well thats it please help if you can

thanks guys

primegarcia · Post by **primegarcia** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:24 am

well the pic did not go through there is a black,red,white and green wire. Please help

thanks

felixrising · Post by **felixrising** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:43 am

Did you check the manual? You just need to connect Rx/Tx to RC Pins 4 and 5 (not necessarily in that order) and ground and +5v to any of the gnd/+5v headers. You'll of course need to configure it in CLI as well for your particular GPS.

primegarcia · Post by **primegarcia** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:38 am

the + & - i can jump those. so your saying 4 & 5 port where the transmitter goes is where i hook up the white and green as that correct just triple checking to make sure i get it right i don't want to mess anything up. How do i know that it is on?

Invid · Post by **Invid** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:51 am

If and when your GPS gets a lock it will typically have an LED that starts flashing. When it does, the red LED on the Naze32 will also start flashing, assuming you've configured it properly.

I made the mistake of assuming that since my GPS appeared to be working properly on the defaults I didn't have to check my configuration. That is not correct and currently, setting it incorrectly can lock the FC when using position hold - not a huge problem for you on the Acro board. Still, confirm your GPS connection settings...

scrat wrote:If you have uBlox neo-6m set gps_type=1 and [...] set to gps_baudrate=1 - 57600.

lunithy · Post by **lunithy** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:16 pm

Just confirming there's no fix for this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO9EGmIS ... e=youtu.be

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:24 pm

If the leds don't blink startup sequence and something gets hot (either mcu or one of the regs), then it's toast.

KC_703 · Post by **KC_703** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:42 am

primegarcia wrote:the + & - i can jump those. so your saying 4 & 5 port where the transmitter goes is where i hook up the white and green as that correct just triple checking to make sure i get it right i don't want to mess anything up. How do i know that it is on?

See page 5 of the manual... tells you which pins to use for the Tx and Rx from the GPS unit.

http://www.abusemark.com/downloads/naze32_rev3.pdf

BlackRock · Post by **BlackRock** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:46 am

Ok, so I'm just stupid. Blue light was solid. I jumped the boot loader successfully at power on and flashed the firmware.

Note to self...

Find a paperclip next time to get good enough connection on the boot loader pads... I simply must not have been getting a good enough connection on power up.

QAV400 · Post by **QAV400** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:00 pm

Can anyone tell me is this what i need to be able to connect to my naze32 rev4 board and tune it by android phone
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261147430820 ... 1423.l2649
Also is there any where like a guide or something on how to wire it in or set it up etc?
Regards

JaZzMaN251 · Post by **JaZzMaN251** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:06 pm

Can anyone help me with the failsafe on the Naze32?

This is what I get:

- I've set feature failsafe
- I've set failsafe_delay to 10 (1 second)
- I've set failsafe_throttle to 1300 (to have a clear visual on testing the failsafe)
- I've set failsafe_off_delay to 50 (5 seconds)

The engines should normally go to 1300 after failsafe kicks in and then should power off after 5 seconds, right?

Any idea how to solve this?
I'm using an R617FS receiver so I can only put the failsafe value on the throttle channel (which now gives me a signal around 900 when I turn the transmitter off, which is well below the failsafe_treshold of 985 in the settings)

I just would like to level the quad and let it descend with less than hover throttle and let the motors stop after a couple of seconds.

cosmic2112 · Post by **cosmic2112** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:26 pm

Hi,

I have just set my second naze acro board up in an asymmetrical frame and I am trying to set up a custom mixer, tha'ts fine, but I can't get the commands to work properly and I cannnot figure out why.

E.G.
I enter the following CLI commands:-

mixer CUSTOM
cmix 1 1.000 -0.800 0.800 -1.000
cmix 2 1.000 -1.200 -1.200 1.000
cmix 3 1.000 0.800 0.800 1.000
cmix 4 1.000 1.200 -1.200 -1.000

These result in:-
Custom mixer:
Motor Thr Roll Pitch Yaw
#1: 1.000 -0.800 0.800 -1.000
#2: 1.000 -1.200 -1.200 1.000
#3: 1.000 0.800 0.800 1.000
#4: 1.000 1.200 -1.200 -1.000
Sanity check: OK NG OK

it fails the sanity check and I can't figure out why? M1 and M3 are rear motors and positive and M2 and M4 are front and negative and I want more to the front motors and less to the back, what's wrong with that?

another strange example:-

cmix 1 1.000 -0.650 1.000 -1.000
cmix 2 1.000 -1.000 -0.640 1.000
cmix 3 1.000 0.650 1.000 1.000
cmix 4 1.000 1.000 -0.640 -1.000

results in motor 3 and 4 with odd values:-

Custom mixer:
Motor Thr Roll Pitch Yaw
#1: 1.000 -0.650 1.000 1.000
#2: 1.000 -1.000 -0.640 1.000
#3: 1.000 0.650 0.650 1.000
#4: 1.000 1.000 1.000 -0.640
Sanity check: OK NG NG

I am running it as a quadx for now but would like to figure a custom mix.

cosmic2112 · Post by **cosmic2112** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:42 pm

Okay, well I have figured out what the second strange example was, I used double spaces in between some of the values. I prepared the commands in a text editor for easy pasting in and added spaces to make it more readable - Doh!.

But still dont see why I don't pass the sanity check in the first example.

dklein · Post by **dklein** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:24 pm

cosmic2112 wrote:Hi,

I have just set my second naze acro board up in an asymmetrical frame and I am trying to set up a custom mixer, tha'ts fine, but I can't get the commands to work properly and I cannnot figure out why.

E.G.
I enter the following CLI commands:-

mixer CUSTOM
cmix 1 1.000 -0.800 0.800 -1.000
cmix 2 1.000 -1.200 -1.200 1.000
cmix 3 1.000 0.800 0.800 1.000
cmix 4 1.000 1.200 -1.200 -1.000

These result in:-
Custom mixer:
Motor Thr Roll Pitch Yaw
#1: 1.000 -0.800 0.800 -1.000
#2: 1.000 -1.200 -1.200 1.000
#3: 1.000 0.800 0.800 1.000
#4: 1.000 1.200 -1.200 -1.000
Sanity check: OK NG OK

it fails the sanity check and I can't figure out why? M1 and M3 are rear motors and positive and M2 and M4 are front and negative and I want more to the front motors and less to the back, what's wrong with that?

I dinked around with it a bit in the CLI and it looks like the sanity check wants the 'column totals' to be 0.
e.g. sum of all Roll values -0.8-1.2+0.8+1.2 = 0 --->OK
sum of Pitch 0.8 -1.2 +0.8 -1.2 = -0.8 --->NG
sum of Yaw -1+1+1-1=0 --->OK

Change the pitch values so they sum to 0 and it passes the check.

So we can manipulate the values to pass the sanity check but that just doesn't seem right as far as I understand motor mix capability in Multiwii. Is it possible the sanity check is not sane? Or perhaps the sanity check is just warning us that we have an asymetrical mix. Did you try monitoring it in configurator to see if it is in fact applying more throttle to the front the way you want?
Connect it without your main battery, powering the FC by USB.
Power the Rx separately if required.
Open configurator and go to motor/servo outputs. Play with the sticks (you might have to zero out the I and D values temporarily to get simple response behaviour).

I used your config and when I roll left I see a lot more going to the front right motor (M2) than the rear right (M1). Similarly, there's still more thrust on the front left (M4) vs rear left (M3). So the whole thing is favoring the the front motors. Looks like it works. Go for a test flight. Be aware that you have specified quite a bit of difference (you'll see that when you monitor in configurator).

It would be nice to know exactly what the sanity check is checking :?:

cosmic2112 · Post by **cosmic2112** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:15 am

Yeah, looks like your right, the values are added up and should equal zero but not in an asymmetrical frame for pitch not for roll.

The values in the custom mixer look as if they are implemented so it is just a warning, I have the mixer configured now so I will give it a try tomorrow.

BTW I never thought of trying it with the configurator, I should have tried that, thanks.

dklein · Post by **dklein** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:34 am

JaZzMaN251 wrote:Can anyone help me with the failsafe on the Naze32?

This is what I get:

- I've set feature failsafe
- I've set failsafe_delay to 10 (1 second)
- I've set failsafe_throttle to 1300 (to have a clear visual on testing the failsafe)
- I've set failsafe_off_delay to 50 (5 seconds)

The engines should normally go to 1300 after failsafe kicks in and then should power off after 5 seconds, right?

Any idea how to solve this?
I'm using an R617FS receiver so I can only put the failsafe value on the throttle channel (which now gives me a signal around 900 when I turn the transmitter off, which is well below the failsafe_treshold of 985 in the settings)

I just would like to level the quad and let it descend with less than hover throttle and let the motors stop after a couple of seconds.

Yes, that's what it should do. Looks like you can't trigger it with just a low throttle channel. In your case, it's just dropping to your minthrottle level.
When I turn of my Tx, motor outputs stay the same until failsafe kicks in and drops to 1300. Note that it's in leveling mode so what you see for motor output will vary if you move the board around. Yours drops as soon as you turn off the tx - the same as just lowering the throttle.
It appears that the detect level of 985 might need to be across all channels. As an experiment, I set my failsafe_detect_threshold to 1050 so I could do the same as you by lowering my throttle stick (full down puts out a signal at 1000).
Same thing you experienced - it just went down to minthrottle, no failsafe. I was only able to engage failsafe by turning the Tx off. I'm just using a satellite (no rx) so there's no failsafe options on it - when I turn the tx off, the serial stream stops and I guess that's enough for the Naze32 to decide to go into failsafe.

I don't know the Futaba receivers and failsafe options - maybe it's not possible to do what you want here.

JaZzMaN251 · Post by **JaZzMaN251** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:17 am

Thank you for checking that.
Seems that I will need another receiver then...

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:36 am

The only failsafe we have is when receiver *completely* kills signal output on loss of reception.
Ones that are stuck at last sent values, or ones that lock to a predefined stick position on failsafe will NOT work with what's currently implemented.

Your best bet to do 'failsafe' with a receiver that remembers predefined position on loss of signal is configure switches/etc to something like enable autolevel, drop throttle below hover, and hope that you can still see your junk as it slowly descends.

Crashpilot1000 · Post by **Crashpilot1000** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:15 pm

Yes, Failsave needs some attention I did *some* work in that area. One way to cope with simple RC stuff is a deadpilotdetection (not moved sticks for some time - within a margin). I had the idea doing that for copters while seeing a reportage on Trains on TV. The funny thing is, that DJI came up with something similar much later than Harakiri. Orig BF failsafe is copy&paste mwii.

scrat · Post by **scrat** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:01 pm

QAV400 wrote:Can anyone tell me is this what i need to be able to connect to my naze32 rev4 board and tune it by android phone
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261147430820 ... 1423.l2649
Also is there any where like a guide or something on how to wire it in or set it up etc?
Regards

Using this one and it's working great: http://www.rctimer.com/product_764.html

joseico90 · Post by **joseico90** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:31 pm

Trying to make a small 210mm quad snap to level with more "forcefulness", tuning seems good and flies well, but feels rather loose still on Angle, is not snapping to level as well as in other bigger frames. Ideas?

scrat · Post by **scrat** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:11 am

Set higher P gain for LEVEL.

joseico90 · Post by **joseico90** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:35 am

scrat wrote:Set higher P gain for LEVEL.

Already did, but didn't seem to achieve this, just fast oscillations.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:01 am

You probably changed pitch/roll P not level P.

joseico90 · Post by **joseico90** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:11 pm

timecop wrote:You probably changed pitch/roll P not level P.

Yeah, I prob did..

Maxed out at 25.5 P Level improved a bit but still not quite there, could it be vibration related?

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:02 pm

Running latest firmware? Level had a bug until like last year May... Otherwise you're doing somethin wrong.

joseico90 · Post by **joseico90** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:25 pm

timecop wrote:Running latest firmware? Level had a bug until like last year May... Otherwise you're doing somethin wrong.

I flash to latest FW on arrival with Baseflight, I'll go through all settings and see, I mean.. it flies well.. but no snapping back to level as I would like. Thanks.

joseico90 · Post by **joseico90** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:37 pm

I was indeed doing something wrong, I forgot to set up the mode switch, so I was on Acro the whole time! :oops:

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:03 pm