Naze32 hardware discussion thread

Plüschi · Post by **Plüschi** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:37 am

timecop wrote:RC_CH4

TY. Works.

It seems baseflight does not have the 4us PPMSUM resolution problem that multiwii has. I am able to get 1us resolution on PPMSUM. I think i wont use the spek-sat on this hardware, but the frsky D4R.

Also i think the PWM output is much better resolution than the 128 steps the 328 arduino offers.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:55 am

Well, duh. Because unlike obsolete 8bit trash, any modern mcu made in the last 5+ years has 16bit (and some 32bit) hardware PWM capture/output... Did you know it's actually code-limited to 1us resolution? Nothing is stopping from going to 0.5 (actually autoquad and baseflightplus use that), or even finer.. But as you notice, the receiver becomes the limitation here.

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:38 am

STMicroelectronics sensors now better than InvenSense :?:

the latest PIXHAWK Project
not used more MPU-6000/6050 and HMC5883L
now STMicroelectronics sensors.

Sensors
ST Micro L3GD20H 16 bit gyroscope
ST Micro LSM303D 14 bit accelerometer / magnetometer
MEAS MS5611 barometer
https://pixhawk.ethz.ch/px4/modules/pixhawk

Torque66 · Post by **Torque66** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:25 am

teslahed wrote:
Plugged the crius V1 into channels 3 and 4 for TX and RX. The manual states pin 3 is TX and 4 RX. As RX plugs to TX and vice versa i have plugged the RX of my GPS into pin 3 and the TX into pin 4. I presume this is right? I've tried it the other way around just in case and that didn't seem to help...

Pin 3 which is marked as 'TX' in the manual definitely plugs into the GPS 'RX' as you'd expect.

Yeah thx for that... TC u biatch....

strepto · Post by **strepto** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:11 am

timecop wrote:
Plüschi wrote:Now i'm searching where to plug this spek-sat in ...

RC_CH4 or PA3 in STM32 port names.

I was gonna post about this as I have a spare sat sitting around - but I also have a gps hooked into to the Naze which uses CH 3 and 4 already. Is there any way to use both at once? I already have a bluetooth module hooked into the other rx/tx expansion header btw.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:16 am

No, of course not.

strepto · Post by **strepto** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:44 am

Ok, ta. Why of course though? I don't mean something silly like hooking them both up to ch4. I was just wondering if it is possible to map the spektrum input to say channel 1 or something. The STM 128k supports 3 USARTs doesn't it? Is it just the code that won't support it or a hardware thing too that I'm missing?

Not trying to bug you, just to understand :-)

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:52 am

1) I'm not interested in spektrum
2) There are 3 UARTs if you don't use I2C

strepto · Post by **strepto** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:06 am

Ah ok. No worries.

MoRaLeSD · Post by **MoRaLeSD** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:18 pm

Hello! I have seen some videos with this FC and I loved it. It was an Acro Naze32 but I think that this is better. My only question is why you can't fly it with a DJI Frame like F330 or F450? I have a spare one
and wanted to install it in there. Is it really true, cause I saw a video with one that was ok flying. Thank you

(My first post here

)

subaru4wd · Post by **subaru4wd** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:20 pm

MoRaLeSD wrote:Hello! I have seen some videos with this FC and I loved it. It was an Acro Naze32 but I think that this is better. My only question is why you can't fly it with a DJI Frame like F330 or F450? I have a spare one
and wanted to install it in there. Is it really true, cause I saw a video with one that was ok flying. Thank you (My first post here )

It will fly just fine on any frame, DJI or not.

Good on you for reading through the manual though

MoRaLeSD · Post by **MoRaLeSD** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:42 pm

This is great I will order one! Any suggestions about the Pin Header Type or Solder Pin Headers?

MoRaLeSD · Post by **MoRaLeSD** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:48 am

Can I please ask what is the difference in Acro Naze32 and the Naze 32? I know that there is lack of magnetometer and pressure control, is this going to effect the acrobatic style of flying if I get NOT the Acro Naze32?
The video I saw doing the cool flying with this FC is this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFiP1uy8jos

I wonder if the quad is gonna be able to fly like this with naze32 and not the Acro. Thank you!

Torque66 · Post by **Torque66** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:38 am

MoRaLeSD wrote:Can I please ask what is the difference in Acro Naze32 and the Naze 32? I know that there is lack of magnetometer and pressure control, is this going to effect the acrobatic style of flying if I get NOT the Acro Naze32?
The video I saw doing the cool flying with this FC is this one:

[vimeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFiP1uy8jos[/vimeo]

I wonder if the quad is gonna be able to fly like this with naze32 and not the Acro. Thank you!

Yeah it's the same gyro... they fly the same.... i only fly gyro.

Torque66 · Post by **Torque66** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:48 am

Hey TC or anyone... the mag drifts about 12 degrees in total on throttle up.... i'm pretty sure it's causing a slight oscillation that i can't tune out with the PID's during poshold... anyway to filter that?

thx...

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:57 am

Yep, since there's no proper mag calibration you'll just have to deal with it. or turn off mag (why are you using it anyway? just use new pid controller which has much better yaw lock).

Torque66 · Post by **Torque66** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:28 am

Eh... need the mag for gps... seems to calibrate fine in the gui so i don't getcha.

Thought it was interference from motors and power supply that skews the reading.... sure looks that way as the drift matches the throttle input. <shrug>

Torque66 · Post by **Torque66** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:30 am

MoRaLeSD wrote:This is great I will order one! Any suggestions about the Pin Header Type or Solder Pin Headers?

You'll want 90's for a low profile...and if you're just acro you only need to solder in four rows... i always remove the positive pins for row 2-3-4 so i don't have to mod the esc's servo connectors.

ummagawd · Post by **ummagawd** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:28 pm

hey fellas - hopefully someone can figure this out for me...

I got my first naze from a vendor here in the USA, got it setup and working with zero problems. I also bought it with a bluetooth module (crius) and it too worked perfectly. Had my tri tuned within minutes.

I'm so impressed with the whole experience that i decide to start swapping all of my FC's over. I got my second one from abusemark (because it was out of stock locally at the time), and while I've got this new one configured and working properly... my BT module doesn't work. I get a:

java.io.IOException: read failed, socket might closed or timeout, read ret: -1

on my android device.

Am I missing anything here? I made sure BT rx goes into FC tx (and vice versa).

I also noticed that the red LED on the BT module doesn't light up at all, whereas on my tri it blinks red (goes solid when paired) and the green LED is solid when powered. But on my new naze... green is solid... no red led at all.

thanks for the help guys

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:39 pm

.
and

When will NAZE32/FPU :?:

with STM32F303CC

crazyal · Post by **crazyal** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:04 pm

JUERGEN_ wrote:.
and

When will NAZE32/FPU

with STM32F303CC

the I2C driver, timer stuff has to be rewritten etc, so when there is code that supports the new mcu

but it doesn't look like anyone including me is motivated to code that stuff.

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:18 pm

F3 hardware has been available since like 7 months ago. As crazyal says, there's absolutely no need or interest. We're not even utilizing anywhere near 20% of current STM32F1 capabilities.

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:34 pm

timecop wrote:F3 hardware has been available since like 7 months ago.
.....

then let it out the cat out of the bag?

I have not seen the "F3 hardware" any info :?:

hinkel · Post by **hinkel** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:30 pm

Hi Timecop !

On the abusemark store whitch Naze32 will be send by command, is it rev4 or the rev5 .
Is rev4 still available or is it the end of batch ?

Greetings

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:33 pm

rev4 unless you ask for 5.

aBUGSworstnightmare · Post by **aBUGSworstnightmare** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:18 am

Hi Timecop,

timecop wrote:rev4 unless you ask for 5.

what's the difference between Rev4 and Rev5? I've placed an order at your abusemark store yesterday for 2 pieces of Naze32 (and 4 power distribution boards).

Rgds
aBUGSworstnightmare

aBUGSworstnightmare · Post by **aBUGSworstnightmare** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:35 am

Hi,

found the info here https://code.google.com/p/afrodevices/wiki/AfroFlight32

When will you have Rev5 in full series production? Seem's the current boards were beta ones?

aBUGSworstnightmare

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:44 am

I think yours was still rev4 - I just ran out of them after todays orders. So once I make some more this week they should be rev5's. Not beta, but I had some boards paneled in green with other orders - final color for 5 is purple.

aBUGSworstnightmare · Post by **aBUGSworstnightmare** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:59 am

timecop wrote:final color for 5 is purple.

Hi Timecops,

thanks for the info! So, how can I get hands on a purple rev5?

timecop wrote:I think yours was still rev4...

When looking into my order history it says shipped on 09/10/2013 --> todays shipment!

aBUGSworstnightmare

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:13 am

I'll be making some this week. Reply to your order shipped email and I'll send one your way once they're assembled again - tomorrow I'm doing taxi driver all day - so Thursday is earliest. I don't have any right now even if I wanted some

aBUGSworstnightmare · Post by **aBUGSworstnightmare** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:27 am

timecop wrote:I'll be making some this week. Reply to your order shipped email and I'll send one your way once they're assembled again - tomorrow I'm doing taxi driver all day - so Thursday is earliest. I don't have any right now even if I wanted some

Done! Thanks in advance!
aBUGSworstnightmare

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:28 am

timecop wrote:I think yours was still rev4 - I just ran out of them after todays orders. So once I make some more this week they should be rev5's. Not beta, but I had some boards paneled in green with other orders - final color for 5 is purple.

The new NAZE32 version 5

with FrSky inverter :?:

the magnetometer is switched off,
for external wiring :?:

where is the circuit diagram to find :?:

https://code.google.com/p/afrodevices/downloads/list :?:

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:11 pm

JUERGEN_ wrote:where is the circuit diagram to find
https://code.google.com/p/afrodevices/downloads/list

Nothing changed since rev4 to keep code / feature compatibility.
Only difference is removal of MMA8451 and addition of FrSky inverter on TX output.

cGiesen · Post by **cGiesen** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:45 pm

And adding an EEprom

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:05 pm

timecop wrote:
JUERGEN_ wrote:where is the circuit diagram to find
https://code.google.com/p/afrodevices/downloads/list

Nothing changed since rev4 to keep code / feature compatibility.
Only difference is removal of MMA8451 and addition of

FrSky inverter on TX output.

but these Arry,

are also new. 8-)

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:16 pm

cGiesen wrote:And adding an EEprom

I2C, or SPI

cGiesen · Post by **cGiesen** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:29 pm

JUERGEN_ wrote:
cGiesen wrote:And adding an EEprom

I2C, or SPI

SPI

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:29 pm

JUERGEN_ wrote:
cGiesen wrote:And adding an EEprom

I2C, or SPI

The source code is open.

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:53 am

.
but,
no way for external compass :?:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390657387426

or, new external HMC5983
:arrow:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200960478428

:shock:

Plüschi · Post by **Plüschi** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:25 pm

I did search for shipping costs of acro naze, but i could not find anything. How much is el-cheapo shipping to switzerland ?

Edit: NVM, $5 shipping is OK

JustasM · Post by **JustasM** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:44 pm

After experimenting with different firmwares (bf/harakiri/cc3d), i had often caught myself thinking "why wouldn't they just add a little on-off switch between the bootloader pads???". Reaching those on an assembled copter with a pair of pliers or some piece of metal is sometimes such a pain...unless you take everything apart. Planning to do it myself...just need a bigger shopping list to go to the local store.

Maybe in rev6...

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:51 pm

bootloader pads are on top in rev5 and you should never have to short them because (at least in baseflight, I have no idea about others) rebooting to bootloader is done by sending R and you never need to touch the pads unless you're a developer and then you'd be using SWD anyway.

copterrichie · Post by **copterrichie** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:32 pm

JUERGEN_ wrote:.
but,
no way for external compass
http://www.ebay.com/itm/390657387426

$2.31 is the cheapest I have every seen for the HMC5883L, only problem, I had a few Cheap ($5.00) MPU6050's that failed in flight. One has to question, just how reliable are these devices being so cheap.

abormor · Post by **abormor** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:19 am

Hello,

I have been flying the 3d baseflight and simonk reversible for a while with an acronaze.
Now with no apparent reason you arm the motors and after several seconds they stop, you can see on multiwiiconf that the arm label has light off.
The motors work again if you move the channel that arm them back and forward, but after several seconds that can be from 5 to 30 it stops.
Is my acronaze damaged? I tried loading the baseflight again and does the same. motors and esc seem to be well and smooth running.

Thank you for your help

Alfonso

P.D.: you can see several videos of it working flawlessly here.
https://vimeo.com/user3426040/videos

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:48 am

No, hardware doesn't fail in this way.
I'm not familiar enough with 3d firmware to tell you exact cause, but I'm thinking maybe some channel is too close to on/off and after some time it drifts over to off condition? Like the arm switch endpoints are too close or something. Anyway, I don't know, maybe someone actually using 3d fw can help.

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:04 am

copterrichie wrote:$2.31 is the cheapest I have every seen for the HMC5883L, only problem, I had a few Cheap ($5.00) MPU6050's that failed in flight.
One has to question, just how reliable are these devices being so cheap.

I can also buy a NAZE32 for € 80.
:arrow:

http://www.pitchpump.de/?p=1593

which is better then :?:

Plüschi · Post by **Plüschi** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:39 am

JUERGEN_ wrote:I can also buy a NAZE32 for € 80

Get it from abusemark for half the price. Why should i pay 100% markup for no value added?

copterrichie · Post by **copterrichie** » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:25 pm

JUERGEN_ wrote:I can also buy a NAZE32 for € 80.
http://www.pitchpump.de/?p=1593

which is better then

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum (1810–1891), an American showman.

JUERGEN_ · Post by **JUERGEN_** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:42 am

.
hi, TIMECOP

it is not the time for a "NAZE32-PRO" :?:

based on a STM32F3DISCOVERY (TauLabs - FlyingF3)

as mini-discovery, with M4 LQFP64

timecop · Post by **timecop** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:08 pm

Hi,

I told you hardware has been done since like 7 (now 8) months ago.
However, it's useless without software.
CloneLabs is not a solution. Plus their attitude towards not their own projects sucks. You might as well just go and use a F3Discovery.
FInally, some core improvements are happening to baseflight. So maybe eventually it will be ready for F3.