130/135/160/200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

130/135/160/200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Thu May 28, 2015 8:56 pm

Here are some 160mm Mini Quadcopterframes I have designed. See the pictures below. I plan to build with the flowing components.

Kiss 12A ESC's
Sunnysky X1306S 3100KV brushless motors
HQ 4x4.5 bullnose propellers
AlienWii32 brushless FC (Naze32 and clones with 30mm mounting holes will also fit)
LemonRX DSMX satellite
Mylipo 850mAh 3S 45/90C batteries
Pololu 5V regulator as BEC
Piezo buzzer

Frames and arms are 3mm and center-/topplates are 1mm carbon. Looking forward to finalize them now. Most other 1306 motors should also work.
Attachments
MiniQuad160mm.jpg
MiniQuad160mmModular.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:20 am

Here are some more pictures during build. Until the AlienWii32 brushed with build in power distribution will arrive I'm using an AcroNaze as FC. The pins are mounted in a way to save space and have a low profile.

Edit: the 3.3V power cable is still connected wrong at the Naze pictures. I was needed to fix this.
Attachments
Arms1.jpg
Arms2.jpg
Naze1.jpg
Naze2.jpg
Naze3.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:26 pm

The 160mm quad (modular frame) had maiden flight a few minutes ago. Everything is working quite well and it looks to have endless power (even the battery looks to be a bit large). Now some more tuning will start. I flashed the brand new released Cleanflight 1.9.0 to the AcroNaze. The weight is 222g including the Battery (82g)
Attachments
160mm_2.jpg
160mm_1.jpg
160mm_3.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:12 am

Here are my actual settings:

Code: Select all
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set looptime = 1500
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 35
set gyro_lpf = 256
set failsafe_throttle = 1000
set blackbox_device=1
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 3 2 1700 2100
aux 4 4 3 1700 2100
aux 5 12 6 900 1700
set mag_declination = 260
set pid_controller = 3
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 3 2 1700 2100
aux 4 4 3 1700 2100
aux 5 12 6 900 1700
set mag_declination = 260
set pid_controller = 1
set p_pitch = 45
set i_pitch = 23
set d_pitch = 24
set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 23
set d_roll = 24
set p_yaw = 95
set i_yaw = 35
profile 2
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 3 2 1700 2100
aux 4 4 3 1700 2100
aux 5 12 6 900 1700
set mag_declination = 260
set pid_controller = 5
rateprofile 1
set thr_mid = 30
set thr_expo = 30
set roll_rate = 40
set pitch_rate = 40
set yaw_rate = 60
set tpa_rate = 5
save


I'm flying mainly with profile 1 (PID1). This is actually the same configuration I have used for my WarpQuad.
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby ACME Milli-Rotor » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:56 am

Hi new to this I just stopped to admire your quad very nice~! Did you cut the frames?
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:26 pm

I designed this frames but don't cut them by my self. I have someone who is doing professional carbon cutting where I order them. For now this was an test run in prototype stage but the result worked out quite well. The frame already survived an major crash without an scratch. I wanted an small fast brushless quadcopter. You can find my small brushed multicopters in the other thread:

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4893
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:12 pm

I now finished my second 160mm MiniQuad build with the single piece frame:

Single piece 160mm carbon frame
Kiss 12A ESC's
DYS BX1306 3100KV brushless motors
HQ 4x4.5 bullnose propellers
AcroNaze (16MByte SPI flash)
LemonRX DSMX satellite
Turnigy Nano-Tech 850mAh 3S 45/90C batteries
Piezo buzzer

The video is just uploading;
http://youtu.be/5nlporNuqCo

Here are the related settings using the Cleanflight 1.9 developer build with the new filters:

Code: Select all
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set serialrx_provider = 1
set looptime = 1500
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 35
set gyro_lpf = 188
set failsafe_throttle = 1000
set blackbox_device=1
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 3 2 1700 2100
aux 4 4 3 1700 2100
aux 5 12 6 900 1700
set mag_declination = 260
set pid_controller = 3
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 3 2 1700 2100
aux 4 4 3 1700 2100
aux 5 12 6 900 1700
set mag_declination = 260
set pid_controller = 1
set p_pitch = 32
set i_pitch = 23
set d_pitch = 24
set p_roll = 32
set i_roll = 23
set d_roll = 24
set p_yaw = 80
set i_yaw = 35
set p_level = 30
set i_level = 30
set d_level = 20
set dterm_cut_hz = 14
set pterm_cut_hz = 50
profile 2
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 3 2 1700 2100
aux 4 4 3 1700 2100
aux 5 12 6 900 1700
set mag_declination = 260
set pid_controller = 5
set dterm_cut_hz = 12
rateprofile 1
set thr_mid = 30
set thr_expo = 30
set roll_rate = 40
set pitch_rate = 40
set yaw_rate = 60
set tpa_rate = 5
profile 1
save


The DYS motors are 1.5g more heavy per motor than the SunnySky so finally even without having an Pololu this build is only 4g lighter then the modular frame build. Having better maintainability in mind (broken arms can simply be replaced) I would now always go for the modular build.
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:03 pm

My new 200mm frames are arrived. The singe frame version is designed for 1306 motors and for the modular version 1306 and 1806 motors will fit. I will start building them and planning to use the following components for 3 different builds:

Kiss 18A, KISS 12A ESC's
DYS BÉ1806-2300KV, Sunysky X1806S KV2300, Sunnysky x1306 KV3100
HQ 5045 Bullnose, HQ 5040 Propeller
Dodo Flight controller, ACRO Naze32
LemonRX DSMX satellite
3S 1000mAh batteries 45/90C
Piezo buzzer
Attachments
200mm_single.jpg
200mm_modular.jpg
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:29 am

Since it was raining yesterday i finished the first of the tree planned 200mm MiniQuad builds. AUW is 296g including an 1000mAh 3S Nano-Tech battery (92g). Im using the firmware from BorisB's Betafligth fork with gyrosync enabled. All bench tests are completed but the maiden flight is still outstanding. Will see how tuning will go.

Here is the list of the individual components used:

200mm modular frame
Kiss 18A, KISS 12A ESC's
DYS BÉ1806-2300KV motors
HQ 5045 Bullnose propeller
Dodo Flight controller
LemonRX DSMX satellite
3S 1000mAh 45/90C Turnigy Nano-Tech battery
Piezo buzzer

Some pictures will follow if the light conditions are better for shooting them. :)
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:43 am

Here are now the pictures from the new 200mm MiniQuad. The last picture is showing the comparison between the 160mm, 200mm MiniQuad and the WarpQuad. I think i also have a name for the frames now. "SimpleQ" since the design is very simple but efficient and robust. I crashed the 160mm quite a couple of times without any frame damage (ok, some minor scratches since i crashed on concrete ;) ). I did the maiden flight this morning and my initial tuning values fit already very well. I'm running the very latest Betafligth firmware from BorisB's test fork. I started testing with PID1 (profile2, my well known tunes from the 160mm) and moved to PID2 (profile1, new tunes derived from BorisB settings). I likely will stay with the profile1 settings. Flight time was always between 5:30 and 6:00 minutes with the 3S 1000mAh 45/90 Turnigny Nano-Tech batteries and I was going high speed most of the time. Here are my settings:

Code: Select all
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set serialrx_provider = 1
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set blackbox_device=1
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 2
set p_pitchf =  1.400
set i_pitchf =  0.550
set d_pitchf =  0.035
set p_rollf =  1.000
set i_rollf =  0.350
set d_rollf =  0.025
set p_yawf =  3.800
set i_yawf =  1.000
set d_yawf =  0.005
set level_horizon =  1.000
set level_angle =  5.500
set sensitivity_horizon = 100
set gyro_cut_hz = 0
set pterm_cut_hz = 40
set dterm_cut_hz = 10
set rc_rate = 100
set rc_expo = 70
set rc_yaw_expo = 40
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_rate = 56
set pitch_rate = 56
set yaw_rate = 38
set tpa_rate = 45
set tpa_breakpoint = 1450
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 1
set p_pitch = 25
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 25
set i_roll = 50
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 45
set i_yaw = 35
set p_level = 30
set i_level = 30
set d_level = 20
set gyro_cut_hz = 100
set pterm_cut_hz = 50
set dterm_cut_hz = 17
set thr_mid = 30
set thr_expo = 30
set roll_rate = 40
set pitch_rate = 40
set yaw_rate = 60
set tpa_rate = 5
profile 2
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 5
set dterm_cut_hz = 12
profile 1
save
Attachments
SimpleQAcro200_1.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_2.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_3.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_4.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_5.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_6.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_7.jpg
SimpleQAcro200_8.jpg
QuadComparison.jpg
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:50 am

Finished the second 200mm build with Sunnysky X1806S KV2300 motors yesterday. I hove no new pictures since they would be very similar to the initial build. I was planning to make some pictures during building but light condition are not really good to take them during the dark ;) . Upgraded to the latest Betaflight and they are flying very well. Here are my actual settings after some more tuning:

Code: Select all
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set serialrx_provider = 1
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set blackbox_device=1
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 2
set p_pitchf =  1.200
set i_pitchf =  0.350
set d_pitchf =  0.029
set p_rollf =  1.200
set i_rollf =  0.350
set d_rollf =  0.029
set p_yawf =  3.800
set i_yawf =  0.900
set d_yawf =  0.005
set level_horizon =  1.000
set level_angle =  5.500
set sensitivity_horizon = 100
set rc_rate = 100
set rc_expo = 70
set rc_yaw_expo = 40
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_rate = 56
set pitch_rate = 56
set yaw_rate = 38
set tpa_rate = 45
set tpa_breakpoint = 1450
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 1
set p_pitch = 25
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 25
set i_roll = 50
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 45
set i_yaw = 35
set p_level = 30
set i_level = 30
set d_level = 20
set dterm_cut_hz = 17
set thr_mid = 30
set thr_expo = 30
set roll_rate = 40
set pitch_rate = 40
set yaw_rate = 60
set tpa_rate = 5
profile 2
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
profile 0
save


Actually I like flying profile0 (Luxfloat PID) most. With this settings the quad is very agile and fast. The horizon mode is very steady and not really for flying since the reaction to stick input is rely wake but I anyhow fly most acro and this mode is really the last possibility to save the gear if I will be able to switch fast enough while loosing orientation. But profile1 (PID rewrite) is also flying quite well.

Now the single frame build with the Sunnysky x1306 KV3100 motors is still pending I plan to use an Naze32 Acro as FC for this.
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:51 pm

Some more 200mm modular frames are arrived. If there is interest I can put some kits on e-bay. The kit will contain an crash kit (some additional spare parts). Here is what I have in mind:

2 x center plates 1,5mm carbon
1 x top plate 1mm carbon
4+2 x arms 3mm carbon
4+2 x 12mm black hex nylon standoffs
4+2 x 6mm black hex nylon standoffs
4+2 x 10mm M3 torx stainless screws
4+2 x 12mm M3 torx stainless screws
16+4 x 6mm M2 torx stainless screws
8+2 x M3 stainless look nuts
8+2 x 3mm black O-Rings
1 x 16mm Velcro battery strap
1 x 5mm self adhesive strip (battery padding)

The price will end up around 80€ including shipping to Germany (additional 5€ for international shipping). let me know if there is some interest.
Attachments
Frame_200mm.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:55 am

I started to move to LemonRX diversity satellites. Sometimes I had reception issues with normal LemonRx satellites wich even caused crashing. Here is an picture how I mounted this. I used zip tie and heat shrink. Likely in my next build I also will cover the whole areal with some thin heat shrink till the end of the Antenna in addition to make it more stable.
Attachments
diversity_2.jpg
diversity_1.jpg
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:21 pm

Last days I finally finished the Quadcopter build with the 200mm single piece frame and 1306 motors.

KISS 12A ESC's
Sunnysky x1306 KV3100
HQ 5040 Propeller
ACRO Naze32 Rev 5
LemonRX DSMX diversity satellite
3S 1000mAh batteries 45/90C
Piezo buzzer

Im running an Betaflight version from October 25th. Here are the actual settings:

Code: Select all
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set serialrx_provider = 1
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set blackbox_device=1
rxfail 3 h
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 2
set p_pitchf =  1.200
set i_pitchf =  0.350
set d_pitchf =  0.029
set p_rollf =  1.200
set i_rollf =  0.350
set d_rollf =  0.029
set p_yawf =  3.800
set i_yawf =  0.900
set d_yawf =  0.005
set level_horizon =  1.000
set level_angle =  5.500
set sensitivity_horizon = 100
set rc_rate = 100
set rc_expo = 70
set rc_yaw_expo = 40
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_rate = 56
set pitch_rate = 56
set yaw_rate = 38
set tpa_rate = 45
set tpa_breakpoint = 1450
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = 1
set p_pitch = 25
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 25
set i_roll = 50
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 45
set i_yaw = 35
set p_level = 30
set i_level = 30
set d_level = 20
set dterm_cut_hz = 17
set thr_mid = 30
set thr_expo = 30
set roll_rate = 40
set pitch_rate = 40
set yaw_rate = 60
set tpa_rate = 5
profile 2
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
profile 0
save


The quad feels more agile then its brothers with 1806 motors and BN propellers. Looks to be the lighter motors and propellers are more responsive. With racing the two back motors get only a light touch of temperature and the front motors stay completely cool. The diversity antenna's of the LemonRX receiver are very fragile and I modified the mounting. The antennas will rip out of the connector with very little force. With my initial mounting this could happen during bending the zip tie during battery change or during light crashing. See pictures from initial mounting in my previous post here. I now open the RX and cover the whole antenna with 1mm heat shrink including the first part of the connector. After mounting them again I will take care bending the antenna will not put any force to the antenna itself. I will leave a little sloop at the bottom. Please see also the pictures below.

BTW: All my 1806 SunnySky motors are fakes and I returned them to the sellers. I replaced them with DYS 1806 motors. They are a bit more heavy but are more robust during crashing. The 1306 SunnySky motors are very light and nice build but not very crash resistant. DYS 1306 are also more robust.
Attachments
200mm_1306_1.jpg
200mm_1306_2.jpg
DiversityRX_1.jpg
DiversityRX_2.jpg
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Re: 130mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:38 am

Below are some pictures from my latest brushless build. The frame is made from 2.5 mm carbon and has an 130mm size. This following components are used:

130mm brushless frame
Naze32 Acro. (upgraded with 128MB SPI flash, BetaFlight 2.5.3)
DYS BE1104 4000 KV Motors
HQ 3x3 Props
Kiss 12A (version 1.2, low pass filter off)
LemonRX DSMX satellite
Buzzer
Mylipo 500mAh 2S 30/60C

I will post settings after have finalzed the setup.
Attachments
Frame130.jpg
BL130_1.jpg
BL130_2.jpg
BL130_3.jpg
BL130_4.jpg
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Re: 130mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:06 pm

Here are the settings is have successfully used today:

Code: Select all
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set spektrum_sat_bind = 9
rxfail 3 h
set rc_smoothing = ON
set serialrx_provider = SPEK2048
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 34
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 1
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set align_gyro = CW0FLIP
set align_acc = CW0FLIP
set align_mag = CW0FLIP
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 3 1700 2100
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = LUX
set p_pitchf =  1.000
set i_pitchf =  0.350
set d_pitchf =  0.025
set p_rollf =  1.000
set i_rollf =  0.350
set d_rollf =  0.025
set p_yawf =  3.800
set i_yawf =  0.900
set d_yawf =  0.005
set level_horizon =  1.000
set level_angle =  5.500
set sensitivity_horizon = 100
set rc_rate = 100
set rc_expo = 70
set rc_yaw_expo = 40
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_rate = 56
set pitch_rate = 56
set yaw_rate = 38
set tpa_rate = 45
set tpa_breakpoint = 1450
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 3 1700 2100
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = MWREWRITE
set p_pitch = 21
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 21
set i_roll = 50
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 45
set i_yaw = 35
set p_level = 30
set i_level = 30
set d_level = 20
set thr_mid = 30
set thr_expo = 30
set roll_rate = 40
set pitch_rate = 40
set yaw_rate = 60
set tpa_rate = 5
profile 0
save


This morning after proper maiden flight in my living room i replaced an propeller since it had some damage from testing. I tock the picture with an wrong propeller and found this out today during trying some outside flying. I should not do things like this at 3:00 in the morning. :?

It is flying very well with the 2S battery but the flight time is quite short 2.5 to 3.5 minutes before the voltage alarms starting to kick in. I have some 3S batteries on order.

The weight without battery is 72g. The 2S battery is 32g.
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Re: 130mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:25 am

New 130mm build this time with an AlienFlight F1 Brushless prototype. The AUW is 94g (battery is 32g).

DYS BE1104 4000 KV Motors
HQ 3x3 Props
Kiss 12A (version 1.1, oneshot)
LemonRX DSMX satellite
Mylipo 500mAh 2S 30/60C

I also have 450mAh 65-130C 3S Nano Tech batteries on the way to try them out.

Update: The copter is going like crazy with 3S. Flight time is up to 5:30 minutes.
Attachments
BL_130mm_1.jpg
BL_130mm_2.jpg
BL_130mm_3.jpg
Pigtail.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby Brainstorm » Thu May 05, 2016 10:46 am

mj666: These are some very nice mini/micro brushless frames! I like the 160 and 130 in particular. Good to hear the 130 flies well, even with "only" 4000KV and 2S LiPo. I think people get carried away with high-KV and high voltage these days.

It will be nice when the Alien Brushless FC becomes available, as it seems ideal for builds of this scale! I'm also curious to see how it will compare in weight to a 30x30 FC plus 4-in-1 ESC (versus Alien BL + 4x KISS ESC). There seem to be significant weight savings in thinner gauge wiring in your build, almost like on a brushed micro.
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Re: 130mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sat May 07, 2016 12:26 pm

There is 10g difference between the last two builds (130mm brushless). During flight I don't feel a real difference. Likely the thicker gauge wires (22 vs. 26 AWG) in the Naze build will give more power to the motors. With 3S the go really fast (likely more than 50-60km/h). We don't had good experiance with standard BLHELI ESC's and the high KV motors. Kiss was working the best for now. May be Silabs 39x ESC's or BLHELI_S will work better.
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Re: 200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sat May 07, 2016 4:14 pm

New version of the 200mm compact frame. 1306 and 1806 motors can be mounted now. The root of the arms is a bit stronger and I omitted the second hole for the larger center plate.
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Re: 130mm/135mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:44 pm

The new 130 and 135mm brushed Frames are arrived. See some pictures below. I put a few kits on eBay today. These kits always contain the frame (2.5mm carbon), the top plate with AlienFlight graving (1mm carbon) und 5 2x12mm Nylon standoffs and 10 M2 Nylon screws. There are two variants of the top plate available. By default, the kit comes with the smaller variant. The frames has mounting holes for a flight controller with 20x20mm distance and the 135mm frame as mounting holes with 30.5x30.5mm distance in addition. The distance of the motor mounting holes will fit for various micro motors (DYS BE1104, RCx H1105, RCX H1304). The 110mm brushless frame will follow the next days.

http://www.ebay.de/sch/michaelj1963/m.h ... =12&_rdc=1
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130mmBLa.jpg
135mmBLa.jpg
BigTop.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby Brainstorm » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:34 pm

Nice work, mj666! The new 135mm frame with 20x20 and 30.5x30.5 mounting holes looks perfect (and of course the Alien Flight BL FC too).
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Re: 135mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:36 pm

Last days I finished an new build using the new 135mm frame. I have used the flowing components:

135mm Carbon Quadcopter Frame
BlueJayF4 rev1 FC running Raceflight RC8
Matek PDB
RCX H1304 4000 KV Motors
HQ 3x3 Props
Kiss 12A (version 1.2, oneshot, LPF disabled)
LemonRX DSMX satellite
450mAh 65-130C 3S Nano Tech batteries
Piezo Buzzer

The AUW is 130g. I had maiden flight yesterday but tuning is not final yet. Here you can see some pictures. I added some pictures I have taken during the build process. There is also an picture with this build in comparison between my 130mm Naze build. You barely can see the difference in size.
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135mm_1.jpg
135mm_2.jpg
135mm_3.jpg
135mm_4.jpg
135mm_5.jpg
130-135mm.jpg
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Re: 130mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:49 am

Last days i was working on an new 130mm Quadcopter with the Piko BLX FC. This has 20x20 mounting pattern and an intergrated PDB. It is an perfect fit for an miniquad and makes building a bit more easy.

130mm Carbon Quadcopter Frame
Piko BLX Fligtht controller
RCX H1105 5000 KV Motors
HQ 3x3 Props
Kiss 12A (version 1.2, oneshot, LPF disabled)
LemonRX DSMX satellite
450mAh 65-130C 3S Nano Tech batteries
Piezo Buzzer

This time i made some pictures during the build process. The final result looks not much different than my AlienFlight F1 based 130mm build. The maiden and final configuration is still pending. Weather is not nice here. :(
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130mm_Piko_1.jpg
130mm_Piko_2.jpg
130mm_Piko_3.jpg
130mm_Piko_4.jpg
130mm_Piko_5.jpg
130mm_Piko_6.jpg
130mm_Piko_7.jpg
130mm_Piko_8.jpg
130mm_Piko_9.jpg
130mm_Piko_10.jpg
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Re: 135mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:49 pm

Today I had an new maiden flight with the BlueJayF4 based 135mm build. I was running an Betaflight 3.0 custom build from the development branch. I had 4 flights without any issue. At the moment the startup of the BlueJay is an bit tricky but after this its running flawless. This problems likely will be fixed in one of the next builds. Here are the setting I have used:

Code: Select all
feature VBAT
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set spektrum_sat_bind = 9
rxfail 3 h
set rc_smoothing = ON
set max_aux_channels = 8
set serialrx_provider = SPEK2048
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 34
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set motor_pwm_rate=2000
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 1
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set align_gyro = CW0FLIP
set align_acc = CW0FLIP
set align_mag = CW0FLIP
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = LUX
set p_pitch = 38
set p_roll = 38
set p_yaw = 72
set roll_rate = 35
set pitch_rate = 35
set yaw_rate = 45
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = MWREWRITE
profile 0
save
Attachments
135BJ_1.jpg
135BJ_2.jpg
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Re: 130mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:00 pm

Today I had also the maiden flight with the 130mm Piko BLX build. below you find also some pictures of the final build and the configuration I used. Im running BetaFligth 2.7.1. The tuning is already near to final. Very happy with this.

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feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature BLACKBOX
map TAER1234
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200
set spektrum_sat_bind = 9
rxfail 3 h
set rc_smoothing = ON
set max_aux_channels = 8
set serialrx_provider = SPEK2048
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 34
set min_check = 1060
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
profile 0
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = LUX
set p_pitch = 38
set p_roll = 38
set p_yaw = 72
profile 1
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100
aux 3 12 6 900 1700
aux 4 25 1 1700 2100
set pid_controller = MWREWRITE
profile 0
save
Attachments
130Piko_1.jpg
130Piko_2.jpg
130Piko_3.jpg
130Piko_4.jpg
130Piko_5.jpg
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby Brainstorm » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:17 pm

mj666: Good to hear you were able to maiden both your 130 and 135mm builds! Did you run both on 2S? Or did you try some 3S LiPo as well? How was the performance? How was the flight time? It would be helpful to hear your observations about 1105 5000KV versus 1304 4000KV motors. Video would be cherry on the cake. ;)
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:32 pm

I run the 135mm build with 2S and 3S. With 2S i often fly with maximum trottle. This will be good for indoor flying. With 3S this is really an angry beast. With the actual rates its super agile.

The 130mm with the RCX H1105 Motors and 5000KV i only used with 3S yet. Ist also going quite well and a bit more more fast as the builds with DYS BE1104 4000KV motors. But i guess this is expectd. The later build i also used with 2S and 3S. Similar like the 135mm build in the free space i often fly with max trotle with 2S.

In genreral all this builds perform quite well with some performance differences. They are all good for indor with 2S (may be not the 135mm build).
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Re: 130/135mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:25 pm

I uploaded some short flight videos.

130mm Quadcopter (Piko BLX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brs0TONgnl0

135mm Quadcopter (BlueJayF4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hslq_Z3AZrs
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:08 am

Looks to be there some issues for people in the German eBay pages. It is also possible to get this in English:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/michaelj1963/m. ... =12&_rdc=1
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby Brainstorm » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:05 am

Hoping finally to build my 135mm frame later this month. I have decided to use 1304 4000KV motors and HQ3030 props. Hopefully, it will fly OK with a 2S 500mAh LiPo. I also have 3S 450mAh for more power outside.

What I still need to decide is FC and ESC. I will probably use a Moto Lab FC (Tornado or Cyclone) and 4-in-1 ESC, since I have those already. However, I am also considering the Piko BLX, which I would then pair with some KISS ESC. In either case, it should be a lightweight yet powerful micro brushless quad. :)
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:30 am

All this options sounds good and from my experiance with different builds should work quite well.
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Re: 160mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:28 pm

Finished another Piko BLX build last days. 130mm frame with FTV Little Bee 20A-S (BLHELI_S) and RCX1105 4000KV motors. Everting else is the same as my previous Piko BLX build. This is also going quite well the BLHELI_S ESC are performing similar to the Kiss (super smooth). I only upgraded them to the latest firmware (16.2) and kept all the default settings (except adjusting the motor directions). I used the 4wire connection of the Piko BLX for flashing with the BLHELI suite. This worked perfectly. No new picture since in principle all is similar to my previous build.

Next days I also planning another new build like this one (same ESC's) but with RCX1304 4000KV motors.
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Re: 135 Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:08 am

Last days I finally finished the long announce 135mm build with the H1304 motors. I used the last weeks with very nice weather here mostly for flying than building. ;)

Here are the technical specifications of this build:

135mm Carbon Quadcopter Frame
Piko BLX Fligtht controller
RCX H1304 4000 KV Motors
HQ 3x3 Props
FTV Little Bee 20A BLHeli_S ESC's Multishot
LemonRX DSMX satellite
450mAh 65-130C 3S Nano Tech batteries
Piezo Buzzer

Im using BetaFlight 3.0.0 and BLHeli 16.4 firmware. For BLHeli im using default settings and only changed motor direction for 2 ESC's. The Piko BLX is running with 8k/4K synchronized. Here is the complete BetaFlight configuration:

Code: Select all
# version
# BetaFlight/PIKOBLX 3.0.0 Sep 11 2016 / 00:37:07 (a21694b)

# name

# mixer

# servo

# servo mix


# feature
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP

# beeper

# map
map TAER1234

# serial
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200

# led

# color

# mode_color

# aux
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 27 2 1700 2100
aux 2 1 0 1300 1700
aux 3 2 0 1700 2100
aux 4 12 5 900 1700

# adjrange

# rxrange

# rxfail
rxfail 3 h

# master
set min_check = 1060
set max_aux_channels = 8
set min_throttle = 1060
set motor_pwm_protocol = MULTISHOT
set serialrx_provider = SPEK2048
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 34
set pid_process_denom = 2

# profile
profile 0

set p_pitch = 38
set i_pitch = 35
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 38
set i_roll = 35
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 72
set i_yaw = 40
rateprofile 0

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set roll_srate = 75
set pitch_srate = 75
set yaw_srate = 75

#


I was already flying quite some batteries with this build during the last days and the tuning is finalized. Below you also can see some pictures of this build. Anyhow in general it does not look much different to other build with my frames.

BTW: I upgraded all my copters now to BetaFlight 3.0.0 and im very satisfied how the at flying. This is the first time I made an change of the firmware for the whole fleet to the same level.
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Piko135_1.jpg
Piko135_2.jpg
Piko135_3.jpg
Piko135_4.jpg
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Re: 130/135/160/200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby Brainstorm » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:57 am

Looking good, Michael! :)

I still have not started with my 135mm frame. :oops: But I have reserved a set of 1304 4000KV motors, like the ones you used, plus a Racerstar BLHeli_S 4-in-1 ESC. Hopefully I can complete the build before the weather deteriorates too much. Probably still a couple more weeks -- too much life and not enough flying.
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Re: 130/135/160/200mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:26 am

Looking forward to see your build finished and flying. The winter is comming fast now and also flying time get quite limited. Usualy I go one hour flying every morning before work if weather permits. Will now focus again on smaller copters for indoor and may be try some FPV.
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Re: 135mm Carbon Mini Quadcopter frames

Postby mj666 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:31 am

After long silence here is the information of my last two builds. It is an big improvement to my former RCX1304 motor builds in flight performance. I also used stronger wires, XT30 connectors and stronger batteries. The new 135mm frames are also now 3mm thick. Anyhow over the last years i only broke 3 of the 2.5mm thick frames with basically daily flying in summer. Here are the details for this two builds:

AlienFlight 135mm Carbon Quadcopter Frame
Furious PikoF4/AlienFlightNG F7 Brushless Hex Fligtht Controller
RCX H1304 4000 KV Motors
HQ 3x3 Props
Aikon SEFM 20A BLHeli_S ESC's Multishot (16.6)
FrSky XM+/LemonRX DSMX Satellite Receiver
850/650mAh 75C 4S Tatoo Batteries
Piezo Buzzer

Unfortunately I forgot to remove the filter caps from the ESC's before building and dont want to tear them down again. I was not aware my Aicon's are some of the early ones with the caps still installed. This is why i still use multishoot but except you need to calibrate the ESC's it does not have a real negative impact on performance.

Below a few pictures of the build and also the BetaFlight 3.3.0 configuration for the the PikoF4 build:

Code: Select all
# version
# Betaflight / FF_PIKOF4 (PIK4) 3.3.0 Mar  2 2018 / 03:44:04 (177472b4f) MSP API: 1.37

# name
name PikoF4_135

# resources

# mixer

# servo

# servo mix


# feature
feature MOTOR_STOP

# beeper

# map

# serial

# led

# color

# mode_color

# aux
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100 0
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700 0
aux 2 2 0 1700 2100 0
aux 3 13 6 900 1700 0
aux 4 28 2 1700 2100 0

# adjrange

# rxrange

# vtx

# rxfail
rxfail 3 h

# master
set min_check = 1060
set max_aux_channels = 12
set blackbox_p_ratio = 256
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set motor_pwm_protocol = MULTISHOT
set pid_process_denom = 1

# profile
profile 0

set p_pitch = 38
set i_pitch = 35
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 38
set i_roll = 35
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 72
set i_yaw = 40

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set roll_srate = 80
set pitch_srate = 80
set yaw_srate = 80

#


Except for the different receiver the AlienFlightNG F7 build has the same settings.

I'm in the process to upgrade all my copters to BetaFlight 3.3.0. Actually running an mix of 3.1.x, 3.2.x versions. All my former builds are still actively flying on more or less regular bases and there is no big need for many new builds since i have a big fleet to fly.
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PikoF4_135_0.jpg
PikoF4_135_1.jpg
PikoF4_135_2.jpg
PikoF4_135_3.jpg
PikoF4_135_4.jpg
PikoF4_135_5.jpg
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