Nanocopter Frames

Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:23 pm

Finaly i also made an video of the 110mm AlienFlight F4 brushless Quadcopter.

https://youtu.be/3ZMvk6ClkBs
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby Pedro14755 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:04 am

That F4 looks like it is nicely dialed in Michael. I know that you have seen this, but your thread followers may be interested to see what can be done with your frame :)

    8bit AlienFlight FC modified to brushless by Gary Baynes
    ADH30S Micro motors_6100kv.
    KISS 18A ESC's
    Nano-Tech 2S 300 mAh battry
    Eachine CG022 props drilled out to fit 1.5mm motor shaft
    Lantian LT130 PDB
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:15 am

Very nice build. Happy you like it and its flying fine. Its quite a difference to an brushed copter.
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:05 pm

FTV Little Bee 20A-S (BLHELI_S) are an good alternative to the Kiss ESCs and are a bit shorter also. The soon to be released Aikon 20a SEFM look also quite promising since the will be even smaller.

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mj666 wrote: For sure the 18A Kiss will also work even if it is kind of an overkill and they are more expensive. The size is exactly the same.

Thanks mj666, I can get the 18A locally for cheaper than the 12A from Flyduino :)
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby Pedro14755 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:19 pm

Thanks Michael :) I just ordered my second set of KISS ESC's but it is nice to have some viable choices
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:21 pm

During the last week i upgraded all my copters to BetaFlight 3.0.0. The tiny copters fly already quite well with the AlienFlight default settings. Be aware these settings are different to the settings for other targets.
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:13 pm

Here is my actual configuration for the 110mm F4 brushless Quadcopter:

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# version
# BetaFlight/ALIENFLIGHTF4 3.0.0 Sep 11 2016 / 00:26:45 (a21694b)

# name

# mixer

mmix reset


# servo

# servo mix


# feature

# beeper

# map

# serial

# aux
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 27 2 1700 2100
aux 2 1 0 1300 1700
aux 3 2 0 1700 2100

# adjrange

# rxrange

# rxfail
rxfail 3 h

# master
set min_check = 1060
set max_aux_channels = 8
set min_throttle = 1060
set use_unsynced_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_protocol = ONESHOT125
set motor_pwm_rate = 2000
set pid_process_denom = 4

# profile
profile 0

set p_pitch = 45
set i_pitch = 40
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 40
set d_roll = 18
rateprofile 0

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0


#


Next days I will get 110mm brushless frames again. I will now have two variants available. In addition to the known version there will be a HD (heavy duty) version with 2.5mm frame thickness and mounting holes for the larger 1104/1105/1304 motors.

Also waiting for a new AlienFlight (NG) F4 brushless prototype and planning a build with the RacerStar BR1103 8000KV motors and the AIKON SEMF 20A BLHeli_S ESC's.
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:06 am

Finally the 110mm Brushless Frames are available again and there is now also an HD (heavy duty) version available. The HD version is designed for 1104/1105/1304 motors and is 2.5mm thick.

http://www.ebay.de/sch/michaelj1963/m.h ... =12&_rdc=1

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http://www.ebay.com/sch/michaelj1963/m. ... =12&_rdc=1
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:55 pm

Some days ago i finished a new 110mm Quadcopter build with my HD frame. I used the following components:

NanoQuad Carbon 110mm brushless HD frame with top plate (20mm standoffs, default is 12mm)
FuriousFPV PikoBLX (Betaflight 3.1.0)
Lemon RX DSMX satellite.
Cikadia 10A BLHeli_S 4in1 ESC (BLHeli_S 16.6, 20x20mm mounting pattern)
9mm Piezo buzzer
KingKong 1103 motors
RotorX 2535 4 blade propellers
Turnigy Nano-Tech 300mah 2S 45~90C Battery

I'm running BetaFlight 3.1.0. I had some problems with the BF 3.1.7 version as a few others with small copters also had. This problem is causing some partial flips during fast forward flight and is actually investigated at the BetaFlight GitHub. Likely 3.1.6 is also fine but I have not tested yet. The AUW is 68g and the copter itself is 50g. Here is my configuration:

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# version
# Betaflight / PIKOBLX 3.1.0 Jan 25 2017 / 09:47:11 (88693ca)

# name
name PikoBLX110 DSHOT

# resources
resource MOTOR 1 A07
resource PPM NONE

# mixer

# servo

# servo mix


# feature
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP

# beeper

# map
map TAER1234

# serial
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200

# led

# color

# mode_color

# aux
aux 0 0 1 1700 2100
aux 1 27 2 1700 2100
aux 2 1 0 1300 1700
aux 3 2 0 1700 2100
aux 4 12 6 900 1700

# adjrange

# rxrange

# rxfail
rxfail 3 h

# master
set min_check = 1060
set max_aux_channels = 8
set min_throttle = 1070
set motor_pwm_protocol = DSHOT600
set serialrx_provider = SPEK2048
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 34
set pid_process_denom = 2

# profile
profile 0

set p_pitch = 45
set i_pitch = 40
set d_pitch = 18
set p_roll = 45
set d_roll = 18
set p_yaw = 72
set i_yaw = 40
rateprofile 0

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set roll_srate = 80
set pitch_srate = 80
set yaw_srate = 80

#


The Quad is flying quite well with 2S and has an slightly higher speed than my other 110mm brushless build. It is also my first copter running DSHOT. The ESC's will do DSHOT600 out of the box. The KingKong motors stay absolute cool even with the relative large 4 blade props. The propeller sound is lower than with 2 blades. Copter is flying for about 4.5min with not much voltage alarms even during punch outs. All components look to be a good match.

With the KingKong motors I'm not 100% convinced with the quality. One was blocked by remainders of clue used to hold the magnets. After removing the bell and cleaning I have seen the glue was not distributed evenly and add some imbalance to the motor. The ends of the motor wired are not tined (may be not e big problem). The 1mm propeller shaft is also a problem. First it is hard to find fitting propellers. I used Parrots initially but broke two motor shafts in a very short time. This never happen to me before with 1.5mm shafts. The RotorX props also have an 1.5mm hole as most props out there but two screws hold them in properly in place.

At the moment I fly this with single colored propellers since the black ones are still on its way. This is working better than expected. Here are some pictures.
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110_Piko_1.jpg
110_Piko_2.jpg
110_Piko_3.jpg
110_Piko_4.jpg
110_Piko_5.jpg
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby Pedro14755 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:47 pm

Thanks Michael. Yes the 1mm shaft size concerns me too. Any chance of a video at some stage :)
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:01 am

I just added the pictures. will see if I can make a video next days. Usually im always alone in the morning for flying and I need someone to make the video. I'm not really equipped to fly and do the video at the same time.
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Re: Nanocopter Frames

Postby mj666 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:18 am

Here is an picture with the new propellers. This Racerstars 2435 propeller are much more durable than expected when I have seen them the first time. I crashed a few times and they only get bend. You can easily bend them back and continue fly.

I also finally share some in flight video. It was an quite windy day and audio is not the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9L5364RKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sg84_yZIcI
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